There are plenty of texts you could quote to support the idea that Christ was God, and plenty of others to support the idea that he wasn’t. But even if you come down on the side of Christ’s divinity, I still don’t see where you get the Trinity from. Surely a concept so totally alien to the Jewish God would have been explained by Paul somewhere in his letters if that's what he believed. But he doesn’t even mention it in passing, not so much as a whisper. Believe Jesus is God if you like, and tell me the bible supports that idea and I won’t argue with you, but don’t try and tell me that it therefore follows that God is a Trinity.
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Trinitiarian "proof-text" John 20:28 has some problems for "Trinitarians"
by booker-t inall through my years as a jws and after i have always wondered about john 20:28 where thomas says "my lord and my god" to jesus.
i just could not find a suitable answer for this text to disprove the trinity doctrine.
i really never swallowed the jws intrepretation of "shock" by thomas something like "oh my god" but at the same time i had a gut feeling trinitarians were hiding something about this verse.
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This is my first post
by Make Lemonade ini wanted to express appreciation to the members of this forum.
there are resources here that are deep.
like we heard from the stage, "what is your depth and breadth of bible knowledge?
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"I am a lawyer by day and an elder at night"
Sounds quite reasonable to me, just the sort of thing I could imagine Jesus saying – a tax collector by day, a Christian at night, but if you can only manage it on a Sunday, that’s OK too. As AlphaMan said, JWs know no limit to their hypocrisy.
BTY, I too remember 1975 very well imdeed, telling everyone the world will be ending soon. In the spring of 1975 I even debated whether or not to tax my car for a year or for six months, because as a pioneer, I was always short of money.
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Who treats you worst...
by new hope and happiness inyour favourite football team or the watchtower?.
i mean geting out the watchtower i realize my favourite football team treats me as bad as the watchtower.even if buy the tickets and half time hot dogs....in fact i think they treat me worse.
so why do i still support this team?
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I don't know, but when my favourite football team pays a guy more in a month than a teacher, nurse, firefighter, etc, earns in a lifetime, then I know it's time to stop supporting all of them.
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Not All Anointed Ones Alive Today Are Part Of 'This generation'
by OwnAccord inwhere do they come up with this stuff?.
this is a topic on 'the other site'.
i actually called our bethel ny branch and talked to a brother on the writing committee, at writing correspondence.
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I have it on good authority that during His last quarterly review, Anthony Morris III personally marked Jehovah down for his poor timekeeping, and put him on a Personal Improvement Plan. Stephen Lett warned Him that if He didn’t meet His new objectives He would be facing a disciplinary, which could lead to dismissal. Jehovah has promised to try harder, and will read all those tedious Watchtower articles to ensure He keeps on schedule with the GB’s timetable.
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Not All Anointed Ones Alive Today Are Part Of 'This generation'
by OwnAccord inwhere do they come up with this stuff?.
this is a topic on 'the other site'.
i actually called our bethel ny branch and talked to a brother on the writing committee, at writing correspondence.
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prologos – group 2 may well die before the Big A ends, but not before the Great T starts - “We understand that in mentioning “The second group included in “this generation” are anointed contemporaries of the first group. … Today, those in this second group are themselves advancing in years. Yet, Jesus’ words at Matthew 24:34 give us confidence that at least some of “this generation will by no means pass away” before seeing the start of the great tribulation. This should add to our conviction that little time remains before the King of God’s Kingdom acts to destroy the wicked and usher in a righteous new world.” (Watchtower, January 15, 2014, page 31).
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Not All Anointed Ones Alive Today Are Part Of 'This generation'
by OwnAccord inwhere do they come up with this stuff?.
this is a topic on 'the other site'.
i actually called our bethel ny branch and talked to a brother on the writing committee, at writing correspondence.
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I don’t know where all the confusion is coming from, it’s all really very simple. Just as in the old understanding, not everyone of the Great Crowd was part of ‘this generation’ (because they were born after 1914) so not all the anointed are of ‘this generation’ because some were anointed after the first group were all dead – logically therefore there must be three Groups of anointed. As Group 1 are all dead, and Group 2 are advancing in years, the end must be very close, for as Jesus clearly said, Group 2 will not pass away until all these things occur. And if you believe that lot, you’ll believe anything.
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Pondering Noah account
by problemaddict ini see my wife being pulled into the org a little again, by some good people and kindness.
she grew up a very happy jw, and to leave is very hard for her.
but she has opened the pandoras box of her brain and can't shut it.. we were discussing blood a couple days ago.
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Ah, but what you guys are forgetting is that while Noah took two of each of the unclean animals into the ark, he took seven of each of the clean ones (Gen 7:2). So he could afford to eat one or two of each of the clean ones (especially the males), and still leave enough to repopulate the earth.
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What's the greatest movie no-one's ever heard of?
by rory-ks inyou know, that film you really love, but when you mention it everyone's, like, "eh?".
i'll get the ball rolling.
for me: ulee's gold..
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A movie no one's ever heard of? If a movie has been made someone has to have heard of it, if only the people that made it.
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An Anti-Witnessing Campaign, Please Join Me!
by What Now? inin the past few weeks, the shunning issue has become a very personal one for me, and i have begun to realize that it is not just enough for me and my family to fade out.
after some recent events, i am motivated to start some anti-watchtower activism of my own.. i, like many others, have hoped that there would be a scandal of epic proportions within the organization, something that would wake others up and trigger a mass exodus.. while i am still hopeful that this may happen, it seems that the organization is too good at damage control, and heightening the paranoia surrounding apostates.. but what if the ex-witness community tried a different approach?.
what if, to borrow a hockey term, a sort of shut out situation was created?.
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Imagine the effect it will have if Witnesses arrived at their territory only to find that every house is listed as a “Do Not Call”?
I think the average Witness would be delighted if this were the case - and even more so if it applied to their entire territory.
I tend to agree with steve2 here, I don’t think the average person is that pestered with JWs calling at their door that they would give a campaign like this a second thought. Cold telephone calls are a much hotter topic and while they are extremely irritating most people still couldn’t be bothered to do anything to reduce them.
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Is there a difference between a "wrong expectation" and a "false prophecy"?
by booker-t inas many of you posters know by now that my mom has been a devout jw for 40 years and just cannot accept the fact that i am no longer a jw and feel that i am being deceived by apostates and will be destroyed at armaggeddon.
well the other day we had another knock down debate about "false prophecies" and the wts.
my mom insist that the wts are not false prophets but merely had many "wrong expectations" the same as other bible writers and disciples of christ.
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As a matter of fact, the WTBTS have inadvertently admitted that they are false prophets. In the Awake! October 8, 1968, page 23, they said, “True, there have been those in times past who predicted an “end to the world,” even announcing a specific date [e.g. Russell in Zion’s Watchtower]. Yet, nothing happened. The “end” did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying.”